Postel's Law and Brenden Gray

Sunday, August 03, 2008

Steven Cohen and Robyn Sassen go hard against Brenden Gray over at Art South Africa blog.
Read Steven's original response over here. Brenden's defense and Robyn's response here. And again here. Obviously, a "tired little 'debate' ", and I've argued before with Brenden, repeatedly, and don't want to repeat my arguments, but as I still find his "clever" defensiveness infuriating, I will contribute my two cents. In the interest of good art writing...

I read today (via Art Fag City, thanks) a really interesting NYTimes article about trolling. I wanted to link to it anyway, something for commenters on this site to think about, so put aside some time and read it. This guy's interpretation of Postel's Law and it's wider implications really had me hooked:

Does free speech
tend to move toward the truth or away from it? When does it evolve into a better collective understanding? When does it collapse into the Babel of trolling, the pointless and eristic game of talking the other guy into crying “uncle”? Is the effort to control what’s said always a form of censorship, or might certain rules be compatible with our notions of free speech?

One promising answer comes from the computer scientist Jon Postel, now known as “god of the Internet” for the influence he exercised over the emerging network. In 1981, he formulated what’s known as Postel’s Law: “Be conservative in what you do; be liberal in what you accept from others.” Originally intended to foster “interoperability,” the ability of multiple computer systems to understand one another, Postel’s Law is now recognized as having wider applications. To build a robust global network with no central authority, engineers were encouraged to write code that could “speak” as clearly as possible yet “listen” to the widest possible range of other speakers, including those who do not conform perfectly to the rules of the road. The human equivalent of this robustness is a combination of eloquence and tolerance — the spirit of good conversation. Trolls embody the opposite principle. They are liberal in what they do and conservative in what they construe as acceptable behavior from others. You, the troll says, are not worthy of my understanding; I, therefore, will do everything I can to confound you.

Now, I'm not accusing Brenden of being a troll (trolling being the process of disrupting on-line communities, such as comment threads or bigger), but something in his stance might be a little troll-like. For someone who often talks about the lack of fluid discourse, he sure knows how to change the subject to himself as opposed to the actual arguments.

And I guess I'm rising to the bait.

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Tea Party

Tuesday, March 25, 2008

artheat is happy to announce that Brenden Gray says he takes it all back and so we are going to be friends now. Goody, we say. Tea and buns and strawberry jam all round.

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Attack of the "First Team Players"

Friday, March 21, 2008


Michael Smith

B,

I like your unwillingness to float along with the establishment's endorsing of these self-styled tricksters.

While I'm of the opinion that Avant Car Guard do make some decent works, I think the interest shown by the organisers of the Art Fair in ArtHeat is excessive, and possibly a bit misguided. Their presence at the Fair felt less like that of court jesters and more like that of midget mascots amongst the first team players of the art world. In fact, one senses that their co-opting by the establishment they seem(ed?) so keen on challenging is a clear sign that few take them or their subversive impulses too seriously.

M

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Lizza

My goodness, I'm really amazed by you people. Does it not ever occur to you that different people have different ways of contributing to the discussion, and that all of them are valuable? If Artheat has managed to make a few people think and talk about art during the fair then it has done a good job. I have no doubt that is why the organisers were interested in having us there... to provide a variety of voices. We worked very hard to present food for thought in the style in which we enjoy doing so, which I do not regard as the slightest bit subversive. I think it is more or less impossible to be subversive as an artist, after all the debates which have been raised up till this point in history. Your negativity and resentment does not bode well for your willingness to build a strong artworld for all of us, as you seem only to condone your own kind of message. Perhaps you would also like to prohibit the use of editorial cartoons in newspapers because they are, God forbid, funny, and have them all replaced with tweedy, windy little essays by yourselves.
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Michael Smith

Yes, Lizza, one hundred percent correct. Watch your local press for a book-burning endorsed by 'us people'.

Ironically enough, in the context of this exchange, I really like your cartoons. I think you are quite effectively subversive: humour is often the best weapon against propriety and the silence it breeds.

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Lizza

A silence which, as far as I am concerned, you are trying to throw over debate in this country.

Yes, my cartoons are easy to get, as the cartoon medium announces itself as funny. The rest you seem to need a little help with. The organisers of Artlogic, on the other hand, needed no help at all. They know exactly what ArtHeat is and where it stands. If you take a look at what they have achieved with this fair while still maintaining a high standard of art, it can be assumed that they are astute people and I doubt they need your advice about what should comprise the broad range of media which was available at the fair.

If you felt that ArtHeat had too much of a presence, why didn't you also come up with the idea of doing a daily paper for the art fair? Or perhaps you expect us to have first asked permission from first team players like yourself? I suggest you get off your butt and stop complaining.

Regarding ArtHeat itself and its standard of journalism, I think it is single-handedly breathing life into the deadness of this entire scene, and giving a voice to all sorts of ideas that never see the light of day through tightly censored sites like yours. I am highly respectful of the emotional intelligence and sensitivity that ArtHeat displays, as well as its ability to maintain a culture of tolerance and fairness in the choppy waters of open debate. At the debate on criticim in Joburg Art Week, Kathryn Smith paid tribute to ArtHeat as performing a function desperately needed and much lacking in our art world. It saddens me that what is so obvious to her is painfully unobvious to you.
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Michael Smith

You obviously feel very passionately about this, and that passion is probably the most important component often lacking in this scene.

Nevertheless, you clearly don't enjoy opinions that diverge from your own. I would respectfully caution you about this: dogmatic insistence on your own correctness can be a hard facade to maintain, especially given that the conceptual terrain of the art world is highly contested and constantly changing. You are bound to have your ideas challenged, multiple times, and to respond with such condescension and knee-jerk vitriol could eventually undermine your position.

Anyway, keep well, and keep doing good work.

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Lizza

Thanks for describing yourself so exactly, Michael. I'm glad to have your help.


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Um, who can remember when the avant garde was again?

Thursday, March 20, 2008


















Here's a reply to Brendan Gray, who has been merrily trashing us on his Art South Africa blog.

Hi Brendan, Lizza Littlewort here

Funny reaction from someone who was trying to talk me into doing a show together.

Also, I'd really like to know which of my drawings was mocking the art fair. In my view, the drawings were about issues which have all been around for a while... post-colonial debates, the kind of work that tends to be popular, etc, which have been commented on by numerous artists in numerous ways. They are issues which tend to persist and be predictable because they are difficult to move on from without an educated audience. So I was bringing them up for the sake of encouraging people to think and talk, in other words to help educate people about art, an issue which you clearly feel to be important. Evidently you don't relate to my style of delivery. But you'll have to admit a lot of people were crowding around trying to read the stuff, so maybe I'm not quite as misguided as I may appear to you.

Which brings me to your conviction that Artheat considers itself avant garde. I have no sense of Artheat considering itself to be avant garde, and I have been working for it for a long time now. I think the people involved with Artheat are attracted to it because it appeals to their sense of humour and general take on art and life, something which I think everyone has a right to. If this sense of humour tends to overlap with some avant garde strategies, then maybe some of those strategies were devised by people with a similar sense of humour. Basically, we are being ourselves and saying what we think, and I'm sorry if you don't relate to it.

By which it may be easy to conclude that I don't think the two of us should do a show together. And, Lizza Littlewort is my real name.

(Above is a picture I wish had been by me, but actually it's by Georgina Gratrix, who was also showing at whatiftheworld's booth on Sunday. Maybe she's also avant garde. What do you think?)


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More on Venice

Monday, May 21, 2007

There's more interesting commentary on the Venice Biennale's Africa Pavillion, specifically on the Sindika Dokolo collection at ArtNet, the scandal seems to be continuing, with more news and a response from Sindika Dokolo himself, which sheds a different light on the matter. Thanks to ArtNet too for publishing ArtHeat's own contribution to the breaking news. More stuff can be read in this quarter's Art South Africa, A stink overwhelms Venice, and some other stuff, Dirty Laundry, only available in the print edition.

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